northbanker 5:59 Thu Jul 13
Charlie Gard
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WTF?
All this money and effort to bring a brain damaged child into the world to suffer and to be requiring total care at massive cost to the taxpayer.
Are these the most selfish cunts you've ever seen.
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collyrob
6:03 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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I don't know too much about it, but surely any parent would try everything they could to keep their child alive.
If they believe a certain treatment could help him then surely they'd have to try it.
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northbanker
6:04 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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It is already irreversibly brain damaged treating him will be heartless and cruel
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Gavros
6:06 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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ive thought about a thread on this a couple of times, but the issue is too sensitive for here. i fel sympathy for parents who are at their wits end to save their kid. thats natural. its probably total quackery, but the'll to anything to that end. i also think the courts original decision to let the poor kid die is the right one,
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rue de vert
6:10 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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we lost a baby last year. I can honestly say having walked in their shoes that you do everything. The instinct to protect them is overwhelming. Even when you are faced with a consultant paediatrician of 30 plus years saying there is nothing more that can be done.
That said I can see why this is such a massive case in terms of setting medical precedence. Also the wider point of who has ultimate say the parent or the state,
Personally I think its fair enough if the NHS cant fund, but if the parents can find the funding, let them try.
No easy answer and I feel for them
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collyrob
6:19 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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Sorry to hear that Rue, i honestly don't think I could handle that heartbreak.
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PistonHammered
6:35 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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This is the ugly face of socialism and the welfare state. The argument between a parents rights as individuals and the states rights to save money and the pressure it is under because it's running out of money...apparently.
In this case you are being told that the state control your children not you the parent. For those complaining that the parents are being selfish you are ignoring the fact that the parents wanted to take their baby home so that they could all be together when Charlie died and the fucking bastards wouldn't even let them do that! Now the US and the Vatican have chipped in their two cents and offered to help and the courts tell the parents they have two days to prove why Charlie should be saved!!! If this is Socilaism and the welfare state, a bankrupt idealology (literally as the NHS goes bust) then I don't want anything to do with it.
This screams at us what our future is and that future is OBVIOUSLY loss of individual rights and freedoms as government takes control of our lives. Karl Marx has won.
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Jim79
6:42 Thu Jul 13
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Condolences Rue, I completely agree with your sentiments to.
They have raised the funds, the state need not have any involvement, let them try. Having lost my brother in law at the age of 31 to cancer we clung on to even the 0.01% chance of finding a way to keep him alive even paying for him to go to Mexico for alternative treatment not provided or permitted here in the UK. Who the fuck are the government to tell people they can't do whatever they can for their loved ones.
I wonder how much money they have wasted trying to convince the parents they should just accept it and let their son die.
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DagenhamDave
6:42 Thu Jul 13
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To call it selfish shows quite an astounding immaturity. It may be that through the clinical lens of pragmatism one might be able to make a case against the spend on this poor kid (that's what courts are for), but there is no way that a loving parent is going to put any amount of money (their own or the taxpayer's) above even the slightest opportunity of offering their child life.
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Fivetide
6:46 Thu Jul 13
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PistonHammered 6:35 Thu Jul 13
Absolute unadulterated cobblers.
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Vexed
7:05 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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It's a shitty situation. Parents are being a bit selfish for me, the poor kid will at best be a vegetable and at worst need to be kept alive and in pain by several machines. This is no life for the kid or parents.
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Mike Oxsaw
7:09 Thu Jul 13
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Very heartbreaking, but if it can be done at zero-cost to the state, I don't see why the parents are not allowed to take their kid to the US.
It would NOT set a precedent (although some chancer is likely to try and spin it that way) and would actually free up valuable NHS resources to be used elsewhere - those weekly performance charts don't just produce themselves, I'll have you know.
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Far Cough
7:09 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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Vexed, you're a vegetable aren't you?
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Vexed
7:14 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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Yes but I'm not in pain.
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Far Cough
7:15 Thu Jul 13
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Haha
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cup of tea
7:15 Thu Jul 13
Re: Charlie Gard
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Asparagus is my favourite, partial to spinach as well
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andyd12345
7:17 Thu Jul 13
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I don't think it's an issue of cost. It's an issue of what is the most humane decision. Great Ormand Street aren't arguing he should die because it too expensive to keep him alive, but because they don't think any available treatment will improve / save him. Money has fuck all to do with it.
One side is saying that 0.1% chance is still a chance, and he should have the right to that chance. The other side are saying that it won't make any difference and in fact there is a 0% chance it will make any difference.
It's fucking tough. But it my mind the voice of the baby should be his parents. Great Ormand Street shouldn't have the right to demand a baby dies.
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El Scorchio
7:23 Thu Jul 13
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If they've got the money to privately transport him safely to the US or wherever for treatment, then maybe the NHS/doctors should just grant them their wishes and release him to them, and wash their hands of the situation.
It feels like they've been unfairly painted as the bad guys here though, if all the tests show the kid isn't actually going to get any better, or have any quality of life at all.
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costahammer
7:24 Thu Jul 13
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Unless you've been in that position or have lost or close to losing a young child you can't possibly understand the thoughts and desperations they are feeling!
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Mike Oxsaw
7:27 Thu Jul 13
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costahammer 7:24 Thu Jul 13
Have the McCanns given their verdict yet?
They are, after all, uniquely poised in having personal experience from both sides of the fence.
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